into their science. >> we're not talking about the temperature. >> we're talking about a climate bill in the united states. president obama was telling people it will keep the planet four or five degrees cooler for our grandchildren. if you actually do -- >> co2 -- >> -- you are getting 1,000 plus cold plants, there are 1.3 billion people don't have running water and electricity. if we actually go the route of trying to stop carbon-based energy which has been their lifeline which would lower infant mortality and long life expectancy it would be the most immoral position you can take. bottom line is even if skeptics are wrong the solutions that the global warming alarmists would propose would have not detectible impact. >> if we were to begin to reduce carbon emissions, have the united states for example lead the way in this new technology, especially energy transmission, energy storage, electricity, we could change the world. we could get everybody a much higher quality of life than they would otherwise have. the problem is so many people live near the coasts and they are very old economic reasons.